Reply Posted By:
janet cox
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re Flodden Genealogy
Clive,
With regard to the Flodden Muster information from the Clifford Papers, I have found 2 printed sources for this listing:
'The Craven & North West Yorkshire Highlands' by Harry Speight originally published in 1892 and reprinted 1989 by Smith Settle of Otley
and
'Early Tudor Craven: Subsidies & Assessments 1510-1547' edited by R.W.Hoyle and published by Yorkshire Archaeological Society in 1987.
The transcriptions vary and I would recommend the Hoyle book as having a good introduction and evaluation of the original source material as well as original spellings of surnames.
I do now have copies of both of these books and could photocopy the listings for you if required. Neither of these sources mention those actually killed at Flodden and it may be that they, like my Paley family members, are mentioned elsewhere in the Household Book of Lord Clifford.
regards
Janet
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Reply Posted By:
Kimberly Sardinas
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re Flodden Genealogy
I'm a descendant of the Hendersons of Fordell (both father and son) that died that day. He had other children, and some of them came over to what would be the United States and fought in the American Revolution.
"James Henderson (or Henrysone), Laird of the barony of Fordell, Fife; Lord Justice Clerk; killed along with his eldest son, (Robert) Henderson, eldest son of James"
From the Clan Henderson site:
Robert Henderson was the Burgess of Edinburgh who acquired the lands of Fordell in the latter part of the 15th century. It was James Henderson, who became Lord Advocate of Scotland in 1494, for whom the lands of Fordell were erected into a barony in 1511. These Hendersons were staunch supporters of their King and fought and died in his service
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Reply Posted By:
whitehawk
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re Flodden Genealogy
My great grandfather and grandfather where from Islington, London. Any connection to you? My mother was raised in Winnersh, Berkshire.
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Reply Posted By:
Clive Hallam-Baker
Location:
Flodden Battlefield
re Flodden Genealogy
Janet,
Thank you indeed for the information that you posted. It is absolute treasure. Bowled over - will reply properly when we have followed up this gem of information
Thanks again
Clive
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Reply Posted By:
Janet Cox
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re Flodden Genealogy
Clive,
I recently came across another mention of the Household book of Lord Clifford and the information it contains relating to thosr who fought at Flodden:
"Many years ago the Rev. W. Carr, of Bolton Abbey, discovered
among the Household Books of the Cliffords a list of the followers of the Shepherd Lord at this battle. It is too long for quotation, and therefore the Craven townships which are shown to have contributed to Clifford's troop are alone named: — Marton, 14 men; Grassington, 4; Addingham, 9 ; Hawkswick, 2 ; Flasby, 8 ; Littondale, 6 ; Arncliffe, 3; Langstrothdale, 18; Giggleswick, 20; Settle, 34; Stainforth, 17; Langcliflfe, 9 ; Glusburn, 2 ; Thorlby, 3 ; Embsay-with-Eastby, 4;
Halton, 3 ; Steeton, 8 ; Sutton, 2 ; Kildwick, 3 ; Cowling, 4 ; Beamsley, 4 ; Appletreewick, 7 ; Eshton, 1 ; Bradley, 4 ; Farnhill, 4 ; Morton Banks, 11; Keighley, 47; Bolton-by-Bolland, 14; Rimmington, 18; Hellifield and Newton, 9; Carletou, 11; Littondale, 18; Arncliffe, 7; total, 328. It is rather strange that Skipton, which must have contributed largely to the troop, is not mentioned ; nor are Silsden and several other places of importance. Probably, however, only a portion of the roll was discovered. Lord Clifford survived the battle of Flodden Field nearly ten years."
This source, which I believe is part of the Clifford Papers now belonging to the Duke of Devonshire and kept at Chatsworth.
Janet
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Reply Posted By:
michael sharpe
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re Flodden Genealogy
RE: Flodden Genealogy
I am hoping to confirm whether or not ancestors from the Furness area (then part of Lancashire) were part of the levy from that area at Flodden. A number of forum contributors have mentioned the Flodden Muster Roll from the Clifford Papers and I am aware that the Roll identifies the number in the levy from each of the hamlets in Furness. Are you able to advise on where the Roll is archived and its accessibility? Thanks
michael
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Reply Posted By:
laxboy44
Location:
Fallston, Maryland
United States
re Flodden Genealogy
Regrettably I don't have the specific 'ancestor-to-ancestor' genealogy, but there has always been a family story that my multi-great grandfather/uncle, Nicholas MacBrair was killed at Flodden. Nicholas was the Provost of Dumfries and he disappears from the record before 1515 when his son, Roger, takes over the Provost position. Being the Provost and thus 'the king's man' this would almost certainly seen him being called to serve at the battle.
The family genealogy picks up in the Americas in 1743, with the arrival of William McBrier; born in Dumfries in 1698.
I am already planning on visiting Northumbria and Scotland in 2013 for the anniversary. "Albannach gu Brath!"
laxboy44
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Reply Posted By:
forth364
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re Flodden Genealogy
my 11th great grandfather john kelso, lord of kelsoland, 1450 to 1513 died at at the battle of flodden accoring to my information. his wife was marjory stewart of fynock 1476 to 1544. my mothers maiden name was kelso.
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Reply Posted By:
Clive Hallam-Baker
Location:
Flodden Battlefield
re Flodden Genealogy
Janet, Thank you for your contribution to the Forum. It is all the more fascinating for me as I went to school at Giggleswick, where the name Paley is still commemorated in Paley House. This has provived us with yet another piece of the jigsaw and will, along with the other contributions to the Forum, give a better idea of the times and the Battle. I hope that others reading this, who might have even the smallest bit of information, will be able to share their knowledge and add to the larger picture
Thanks again
Clive Hallam-Baker
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Reply Posted By:
Janet Cox
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re Flodden Genealogy
Through my grandmother Annie Paley I have connections to the Paley family of Giggleswick, Stainforth and Langcliffe in Yorkshire. According to the Flodden Muster (amongst the Clifford papers) four members of the family took part in the battle and, according to the Household Book of Lord Clifford, two of them fell. The details are as follows:
FLODDEN MUSTER
Thomas Palay de Giggleswyck a bowe
able horse and harness
Adam Paley de Stoneford also
Richard Paley de Stoneford also
Adam Paley a bille
Quotation from the Household Book:
“…Adam and Richard Paley in the neighbourhood of Langcliffe fell at Flodden in 1513”
as I have Littondale ancestors, I may also be connected with men from the dale who fought...there is a beautiful illuminated scroll showing their names in Arncliffe Church.
I do hope that this is of some interest. I would love to be involved in some way with the commemorations. If only I lived more locally, unfortunately I live near Huntingdon.
Janet
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Reply Posted By:
Clive Hallam-Baker
Location:
Flodden Battlefield
re Flodden Genealogy
Roy, Thank you for your contribution to the Forum. Yes, plans are being formulated for the 500th anniversary of the Battle and these include reenactment, research, archaeology, lectures, conference and a determined effort to look into the geneaolgy and present day links to Flodden. Please keep an eye on the website for further news,or better still sign up to the Friends of Flodden so that you can be kept informed of what is happening.
Clive Hallam-Baker
Remembering Flodden Project
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Reply Posted By:
Roy Stockdill
Location:
Watford, Herts
England
re Flodden Genealogy
>What I particularly wanted to ask is whether there are any plans to mark the 500th anniversary of Flodden in 1513?<
Oops - I meant, of course, whether there are any plans to mark the 500th annversary in 2013.
Wouldn't it be rather appropriate if there were to be some kind of event, especially if a sufficient number of descendants of those who took part in this most significant of battles on English soil can be found?
Professional Genealogist
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Reply Posted By:
Roy Stockdill
Location:
Watford, Herts
England
re Flodden Genealogy
I may have had an ancestor at Flodden on the English side as one of 47 men from the Keighley-Craven area of Yorkshire who were led there to fight under the banner of the Earl of Surrey by Lord Clifford, the famous "Shepherd Lord" of Skipton Castle.
My possible ancestor's name was Richard Shackylton [sic, Shackleton in the modern version). He was a bowman and his name appears in a book with a very long and wordy title, "KEIGHLEY PAST AND PRESENT; or, AN HISTORICAL, TOPOGRAPHICAL, AND STATISTICAL SKETCH of THE TOWN, PARISH, AND ENVIRONS of KEIGHLEY, INCLUDING Riddlesden, Marley, Hainworth, and some other places in the contiguous PARISH OF BINGLEY: LIKEWISE AN ACCOUNT OF THE ANCIENT FAMILIES WHICH HAVE FLOURISHED
THEREIN, WITH A BRIEF MEMOIR OF THE REV. THEODORE DURY, M.A., LATE RECTOR OF KEIGHLEY." This was published in 1858 and the names are believed to have been extracted from a muster roll in the archives of the Clifford family.
The URL is.....http://www.yorkgen.com/Downloads/Keighley%20Past%20and%20Present%20V1-03.pdf
So far I am describing him only as a "possible" ancestor, since I am still researching the links. Several family trees on the Internet appear to link me to him as a direct descendant; however, being a professional genealogist I never claim anything until I have tested the evidence myself!
What I particularly wanted to ask is whether there are any plans to mark the 500th anniversary of Flodden in 1513?
Professional Genealogist
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Reply Posted By:
Argy
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re Flodden Genealogy
Hi,
I believe one of my ancestors died at the Battle of Flodden on 9th Sept 1513. His name was Duncan Campbell of Glenorchy (c.1443–1513). He is said to have fought in the battle with his Cousin the second Earl of Argyll. Both died and are said to be buried side by side Kilmun, Argyll.
Hope this helps
Argy
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Reply Posted By:
Nancy Burdette Thomas
Location:
Benton, Yazoo County, Mississippi
USA
re Flodden Genealogy
My Pickett or Pigot(t) ancestor came to the Virginia Colony in 1650 at the age of 30 from Lancashire, perhaps as an indentured servant. They prospered and later established a plantation in the Carolina Colony and named it Flodden Field for earlier ancestors who had fought and died there.
When some of the Picketts later migrated to the Mississippi Territory, they also established a plantation named Flodden Field.
I have retired back to my home in Yazoo County, Mississippi and live only a few miles from what is still called Flodden Field Plantation.
Any help on Pickett, Picket, or Pigot(t) that fought there would be appreciated.
Nancy Burdette Thomas
Nancy Burdette Thomas
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